the role of the critic

The Changing Role of the Critic

social networking = scant financial gain?

The Guardian

an article from the NME of interest about the ways music is consumed

Luke Lewis.

music snobbery cont.

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Everett True
trouble is, in recent years it's been deemed unfashionable for professional music critics to be snobs. absolutely absurd!
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James Michael Lomas
Critics Should be Despised by Musicians and loved by Snobs...Rule of thumb.
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Everett True
Where's the button for I Like This Comment
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Everett True
don't you mean, Coldplay = Supertramp, minus the tunes?
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Charles Slomovitz
minus the tunes and breakfast. You rule. goodnight.
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Charlie Bertsch
I think about this a lot, actually. I have spent many years making Bourdieu-inspired argument about the relationship between class position and judgments of a tastemaking nature. But his model doesn't allow for the sort of change in opinion brought about by experience.
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Everett True
isn't some of the problem that it was devised for a different societal model?
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music snobbery

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Everett True
just think, if only we'd all remained music snobs, there'd be no Fleet Foxes, no Postal Service, no Shins, no Coldplay
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Tracy Lee Strassburg
three out of four - not bad...
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Jules Toogood
I like to think i'm doing my bit on that front.
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Shaun Prescott
No Wolfmother either?
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Rochelle Perron
If only my musical snobbery could have saved the world from Coldplay. At least, I tried.
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Helen McGrath
I don't understand
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Max Smith
i think he means that if people still gave a shit about music we wouldn't have a long list of bullshit organized sound type music
.owl city ... really
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Helen McGrath
aahhh
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Everett True
just that there might have been more discrimination. but probably not. after all it's the "music critics" who have deemed Fleet Foxes worthy of our attention
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Everett True
trouble is, in recent years it's been deemed unfashionable for professional music critics to be snobs. absolutely absurd!
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Helen McGrath
I have this argument/discussion a lot on film sets about films & music but no matter how hard I try to be reasonable I can't let a lot of stuff go esp in regard to music
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Everett True
there's some great music up here in Brisbane, but no one would know it, the amount of back-slapping and encouragement that goes on
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White Hotel
So much for punk. Snobbery about musicianship is for us progheads, no? :p
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Everett True
hey wait. the punks were way more snobby than the progheads. they just got confused somewhere along the line... probably by the progheads!
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Jim Mcculloch

No Soup Dragons??!!
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White Hotel
As far as punk snobbery - I think snobbery and purism may be on opposite pages in our dictionaries ET. I should be clear - as a dyed in the wool pop lover I'm a fan of sneaky additives, illegal merges, pungent impurities, embarassing aftertastes; of diversity, of the irresistible will to borrow, steal and taint. For me, snobbery and purism both are deadening forces.
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Everett True
Well, of course. But still, folk should not be ashamed of their elitism. Especially folk who call themselves "critics"
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Everett True
plus, all the bands mentioned at the top of this discussion do none of what you so eloquently champion above
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Celine Barley Lux
True that!
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White Hotel
No, you're right, they don't - not for me either. But I also believe in a diversity of listeners. Who knows what strange pleasures people take in the things they like - even the things I can't abide? The building of an alternative, objectivist canon isn't really my cup of tea. I don't think it's the duty of critics to hone the palate of our readers. Pleasure's too wriggly aroundy to be honed.
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White Hotel
I confess I was listening to Seal when I wrote that. It may be that I feel slightly differently later.
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Celine Barley Lux
Haha! @white Hotel: I agree with you on allowing people to have their own tastes based on their own choices, yet I disagree on the role of critics (at least in music): their role is to help people shape their taste, mostly upon their own personal liking and we need for some of them to stand and shout when something is not up to standard and mostly overrated (*shifts eyes to Coldplay*). In this day and age of mediatic forcefed bs, critics are more necessary than ever. However as co-founder and editor of my own online magazine, my motto is to only feature artists I really like, I don't work for record companies/labels/pr or management, that way the magazine only gives some positive credit because there really isn't any need for negative feedback. No gratuitous publicity from us. Maybe that's the way forward, maybe not. But ultimately I believe in speaking up when something isn't right, I guess that makes me a punk?
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James Scanlon
The world can well do without Coldplay now methinks!
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another fine blog from that man Simon Reynolds.

This one is at The Guardian, just up, time of writing.

Fine commentary by Simon Reynolds but I think his emphasis is a little off.

Surely, the fact that Pitchfork's illustrious elite think that eight of the decade's finest 10 albums were released by 2002 reflects the fact that over the past decade it's become increasingly easy to follow the trail.

History is no longer a closed book, certainly not where music is concerned. Now, with a few clicks of your mouse, you can track back your way back to the sources - or other alternatives - or fresh new ways of hearing. And this means that the very concept of 'new' (which was always absurd) is becoming more and more outdated. And this means that no group of critics can agree with any other group of critics because there's too much access and too much information.

Also - ALBUMS of the decade? Downloads, surely?

(You can find more Reynolds here. Well worth reading, I say.)

some links via Twitter

A taste-maker critic talks about being a taste-maker critic.

A vaguely meta-critic site.

Another relaunch for the most ill-thought out (and arrogantly put together) site on the web, MySpace.

Post-Napster myths of the Digital Age.

A column about pop music (with good reference to the way music is designed for consumption).

Bloganthropy.

Do music artists fare better in a world with illegal file-sharing?

Meta-critic's end of year list from 2008.

site aggregators

Building a Better Aggregator

Digital Music Distribution - some useful links

Digital Music Distribution Round-Up Part Two

A Recap Of Buzzsonic’s Older, Most Useful Posts

Exploring The Digital Music Distribution ‘Jungle’

Some Simple Branding Hacks To Supercharge Your Social Media URLs

a critic is...

A Critic is a Man who Knows the Way but Cannot Drive the Car

three links

Ah, my familiar old friend, the 'death of the critic' website series...

Why Does Popmatters Matter?

Does Criticism Even Matter Anymore?

Pop Matters @ 10

The Top 100 blogs.

Apparently.

those crazy Americans!

You gotta hand it to the (American) Federal Trade Commission for this latest brainwave. When I began reading the following entry, I had to make a quick double-check to make sure I hadn't stumbled across The Onion instead.

It's not often a Federal Trade Commission ruling upsets the musical blogosphere, but new FTC guidelines have left more than a few bloggers in a tizzy.

In an effort to make product information and online reviews more accurate, the FTC recently introduced its "Guides Concerning The Use Of Endorsements And Testimonials In Advertising." It requires, among other things, that bloggers disclose whether they received compensation in return for hyping products.

Continue reading here.

(Thank to Andrew McMillen for alerting me to this.)

Music Scrobbling as a Panopticism of Taste

Thanks to Lloyd again.

Music Scrobbling as a Panopticism of Taste

some good music writing.

Hope Meg doesn't mind me reprinting this in full. Tell you what, first go check out her excellent blog, then read on...

OCT

7

OBSCURE/POINTLESS

Filed Under Review²

Once, long ago, I told Andrew McMillen I’d keep an eye on his output and eventually review a portion of it in to the dust.

For those of you who don’t know Andrew he is a solid reviewer, with a reasonably-sized body of work behind him. He’s also, from what I can tell, one of the most industrious networkers I know, and I therefore assume that he’s the type to pitch his ass off in the hope of establishing himself as a serious freelancer. For these reasons, I never really thought we’d find ourselves in a place where I’d have enough vituperative hate-spew to offer about something he’d written for it to be a worthwhile blog post. You know?

Strangely, it happened. Stranger still, I’m not going to employ my usual 1-2 punch of tearing him down and laughing it off. I’m going to extend Andrew McMillen the courtesy of a genuine review – if not in format, then at least in consideration. That would be the very same courtesy that he did not extend to the Butcher Birds. Now, when I say he did not extend such a courtesy, I do not refer to the nature of his judgments. How could I? He has not presented them. No, what I refer to is the actual quality of this review(copied below for reference). If this had been a review of Andrew’s personal relationship with a single member of the crowd, then perhaps it would have been tolerable. If it had been an Amazon.com buyer’s guide to Andrew McMillen’s Thoughts On Etiquette, it probably would have gotten three thumbs up.

But this, my friends, was ‘ostensibly’ a gig review. Written for a publication with a reasonable amount of credibility, a decent editorial standard and a stable of writers who – from what I’ve heard – consider themselves to be Actual Journalists.

So on that basis there, I assume you can see how poorly this review went for Andrew. Have a look:

Butcher Birds

As Butcher Birds play, there’s a dude – ostensibly a friend of the band – accosting every individual in the room in an attempt to influence their decision to purchase the quartet’s debut album, Set My Bones. So far, I’ve seen no sales among the dozens leaning against the wall. He reaches me and shakes the album in front of my face, obscuring the band from view and diverting my attention.

“What?” I enquire above the noise, though by now his intentions are clear.
“Buy an album?” he offers optimistically.
“Not now. Maybe later.”
“What?!”

After I repeat myself several times – “what?!” – he dismisses my response and moves on. By now, he’s successfully distracted me from what’s happening on stage. I watch the roaming merch desk as he continues to annoy paying customers throughout the set. I’ve never seen anything like it before. If the band enlisted him – that is, if he’s not doing it off his own back, as a dedicated fan – it’s among the worst marketing tactics I’ve seen at a show. People paid to be here, so they’re fans: we’re at least marginally interested in hearing the band’s music, and potentially buying their album. We know where the merch desk is: we’ll buy their shit if we like it.

Butcher Birds released their first EP Eat Their Young in 2006, but postponed their album launch for three years. Tonight, they play most of it, and it’s a largely enjoyable display of retrospective alternative rock. Three females hold guitars and sing, while Donovan Miller keeps the beat. The metal-influenced whipcrack ending of ‘Millions’ and the hypnotic, distorted tone of older track ‘Tiger Paw’ make up for occasional plodders like ‘Sweet Sweet Cones’. Screamfeeder bassist Kellie Lloyd lends vocals to ‘Stone Fox’, and a cover of The Amps’ ‘Tipp City’ punctuates their set. There’s plenty to enjoy about their sound, but their overt marketing fails to convert this potential buyer.

by Andrew McMillen

Hands up if you have ANY fucking insight in to the Butcher Birds’ show?

Other than the fact there was a bar patron, one adult in a crowd of hundreds, who had consumed too much liquor and was acting like a fuckwit. Did you get that part? You should have. There were 212 words dedicated to establishing it. 212 words out of 325. Really?

Perhaps you are aware that there are four members of this band.

Perhaps you can divide them by gender: three girls and Donovan.

It would seem that these are the only things readers of the review are able to comment on. Primarily because there is no other content. Though, admittedly, there is a very weak, very ambiguous set list tacked on to the bottom of what should have remained Andrew’s LiveJournal update, his focus here is clearly on the ‘dude’ who ‘accosted’ ‘every individual in the room’. Unfortunately, the three girls/one boy gender ratio and dismissal was not an intended focus, but it pissed a lot of people off simply because it was an uninformed comment made in the broader context of wasting everyone’s time.

While many found cause to be offended at the misogyny inherent to a comment like, “Three females hold guitars and sing, while Donovan Miller keeps the beat,” I think it is far worse than gender politics. And for someone like Andrew, far more disappointing.

I think the problem here is not that Andrew is dismissive of women and unable to conceive of What Makes A Review. I think the problem here is that, for whatever reason, he failed to gather the information he needed. Instead of admitting that and attempting to rectify it, he wrote a short story about his feelings.

Horrific.

Ignorance in a ‘journalist’ is more distasteful than prejudice. And the demonstration of ignorance is the only way to truly fail in that role. It’s your job to gather and present information, you see.

Here’s what I think happened. I’m not going to bother confirming any of these assumptions though because it feels like that would be inappropriate, considering McMillen’s approach:

Andrew couldn’t tell which girl was which. He could only tell that the boy was called Donovan, because there was one boy name on the MySpace and one boy in the band. But there were THREE GIRLS and THREE GIRL NAMES, and so the solution was a sweeping textual gesture. I do it at parties all the time. “Them,” I say, “These, here, these bitches are my friends.” Lucky it is not my job to know my friend’s names, or I’d look like an asshole too. “LOL”.

As for the unruly punter, well. That little issue would have been solved with a dose of information-gathering too. If Andrew had asked the punter, or the band (who were hanging around the merch desk throughout the night, or outside smoking after the show), or hell – even me – whom he’d managed to contact about his +1 without a hassle.. If he’d asked any one of these people whether or not the fervent ‘dude’ fan was enlisted by the Butcher Birds or just a spastic renegade, he would not have had to waste all those words on exploring the possibilities of the man’s life, his position in the Butcher Birds’ affections or his potential marketing affinity.

But then, I fear, Andrew McMillen would have been left with no choice but to tell his editor he didn’t have a review in him. If he had not been able to dedicate two thirds of his review to immortalizing a man he apparently spent the night ogling, if he had not been able to offer imprecise, pedestrian commentary, then what in God’s name could he have written?

Personally, I would be nine times more interested in a review that said, “Shit out of luck, sorry everyone!” than in what I was actually given, which was something so irrelevant that it may as well not have existed in the first place.

I give this *** (3 stars) as a private diary entry, and * (1 star) as a review written by someone who considers himself a professional.

Oh, and by the way Andrew, there were three other bands that played. No comment on them? Performers not as relevant to the evening as the man in the crowd, I guess. Stupid question, sorry.

Comments

1. Bob Black on October 7th, 2009 1:27 am
   Please Meg, could you repair Andrew’s wrongs (oh, so many wrongs), and write a proper -fucking- review of the most excellent Birds?
   

   How can this be left to stand? How.
   
2. maggie supremo on October 7th, 2009 1:33 am
   Mr Black, I would love to. Truly. But I feel that my position as their label’s PR Technician almost certainly precludes me from such a calling. Ethically.
   
3. maggie supremo on October 7th, 2009 1:33 am
   (Why don’t YOU?)
   
4. That Pete Guy on October 7th, 2009 8:08 am
   On his blog Andrew writes:
   

   “I write because I admire the ability to transcribe cohesive, engaging stories above all else.”
   

   Fail. Fail. Fail.
   
5. maggie supremo on October 7th, 2009 9:15 am
   Pete Guy taps in with the man’s own words. Masterstroke.
   
6. Your Mum on October 7th, 2009 9:37 am
   YOUR MUM IS BACK IN TOWN, KUDOS MEG, SAVIOUR OF JOURNALISM AND ALL THINGS RAINBOWS AND PUPPIES
   
7. maggie supremo on October 7th, 2009 10:01 am
   Welcome back, Your Mum. Saviour of Journalism. I wonder if I can get that as my post-nominal title rather than BJourn.
   
8. ed on October 7th, 2009 11:15 am
   I think the initial context is good and how it wraps it up at the end but it probably just needed a few more sentences about the band. But I hate this notion of a “review” just being a list of things that happened in the order that they happened.
   

   If you over analyse it, the phrase “Three females hold guitars and sing, while Donovan Miller keeps the beat” is bad. I mean it’s not great to begin with anyway but is it any different from any review of a female-fronted band, which usually follows a form something along the lines of “Katy Steele and the boys…”. See Sleeperbloke –http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeper_(band)#.22Sleeperbloke.22. (Although to be honest I do hate these sort of phrases and am probably just playing devil’s advocate but see it more as laziness rather than some sort of misogyny)
   

   I’d give it two stars out of five. Promising but could/can do better.
   

   Oh and I think M+N specifies what bands it wants reviewed as opposed to a whole gig.
   
9. Jerry on October 7th, 2009 11:51 am
   Weirdly, I found myself in discussion about this review yesterday (weird, because do you know how many people I meet on a day-to-day basis in Brisbane – it must average out in the minus).
   

   I like the fact Andrew attempted this way of reviewing a band. That he failed so massively – and he did, there’s certainly no getting round that – is damning, but not as damning as all that. At least he tried.
   

   It’s those who don’t stick their heads above the balustrudes to get shot down that I really despise.
   

   Two points, then.
   

   1. Why did Mess And Noise allow this review through unchecked? Do they not employ editors? Do they really not give a crap about the standard of the writing they print? Fuckwits.
   

   Let me get this straight.
   

   Andrew was perfectly within his rights to attempt this review. But, before it got printed, someone should have gently taken him aside and said, “Er… Andrew? This really doesn’t work.” And asked him for a rewrite. That’s what editors are for, for Bang’s sake!
   

   Is the fact it got printed more Andrew’s fault or Mess And Noise’s?
   

   2. Andrew is still discovering his strengths and weaknesses as a writer. This is usually a process of trial and error. I’d venture that he’s (often) excellent on the research front, but not so hot as a live reviewer (few are). That’s probably a side-effect of having been a student. They don’t, THEY CAN’T, teach people how to write at universities because on the whole universities are staffed by a bunch of arrogant, smug fuckwits.
   

   P.S. Incidentally, I don’t think it matters a toss whether you name band-members or not.
   

   P.P.S. Hey Meg, would it be OK if I posted this all up on my PhD blog?
   
10. Jerry on October 7th, 2009 11:52 am
    Fuck it. One of my apostrophes is out of place.
    
11. Tal on October 7th, 2009 12:30 pm
    Hey, Jer. If you check your and occasionally my, and apparently ocassionally Andrew’s place of contribution, jmag, they occasionally let these sorts of things through too, remarks on crowd jerks and venue quibbles dominating a review.
    

    However these tend to be reviews on larger acts of whom anyone who cares should already have a decent idea of what to expect. Unless a band member breaks a limb, spontaneously combusts or quits the band mid-song, there’s not a real need to remark extra deeply on the show’s contents. Or so I imagine the writer feels. Possibly like M+N, they only want words on the headliner. Bums.
    

    What was I saying?
    

    As a reader, I couldn’t give a toss whether a reviewer had a good night or a bad experience with a drunk ass. (Shit, it’s the Valley. When have you gone to the Valley and NOT had a run in with a drunk ass?) Nobody reports on a sporting event and fills almost it to the brim with complaints that the beer is weak and warm. No-one reviews theatre by complaining about the decor of the lobby.
    

    Granted, if Andrew’s experience with the guerilla merch gorilla was so distracting as to taint his evening, I understand. But I don’t care to read about it.
    

    Haha. ‘Taint’.
    
12. Shaun on October 7th, 2009 12:47 pm
    Re: your last par Meg, Mess+Noise has always published live reviews that focus on one group per bill. Like Jerry points out, good live reviewing is rare/hard, especially the type that can juggle the whole bill without turning into a ‘one par per band’ article, set lists and all.
    

    But that’s kinda beside the point – I think Andrew’s review would have benefited from confirming who this over-zealous merch guy was, at the very least. Also, M+N’s editors will normally pull writers up over bad copy (this has happened to Andrew before, according to his blog), so maybe they saw value in this review?
    

    Anyway, being torn to shreds on blogs/messageboards is invaluable, seriously. I sometimes wish there were commentators ready to skewer my own writing.
    
13. Jerry on October 7th, 2009 12:54 pm
    As a far more experienced editor than (I suspect) any at either Mess And Noise or JMag, I have nothing against references to ‘crowd noise’ in live reviews – long as they’re done in an entertaining and/or informative manner.
    

    My main point here is that there should have been someone with enough savvy at Mess And Noise to pick up on the fact Andrew’s review didn’t merit publication – and throw it back to him for a rewrite. And there wasn’t.
    

    And that’s just sad.
    
14. Jerry on October 7th, 2009 12:54 pm
    Damn it. Another typo.
    
15. maggie supremo on October 7th, 2009 1:13 pm
    Go for it, Jerry. Use it wherever. And I can fix typos if you’d like.
    

    I will respond to “all y’all” (I don’t know, it felt right) soon. Right now I don’t have the time.. But there is a memory I’ve been trying to recall re: this ’style’ of reviewing, and so far I’ve failed. Perhaps someone here can help.
    

    So once upon a time, there were two fucking cool reviewers who I’m pretty sure made a magazine together, right. And they’d review albums like this: Album A was made in Stockholm. Let’s go to Stockholm/research Stockholm and write a small piece about Stockholm in place of any commentary on the album itself.
    

    This was hilarious.
    

    Does ANY one have ANY idea what the fuck I am talking about or misremembering?
    

    Anyway, I’ll get back to you guys when I return from Council chambers.
    

    P.S. I didn’t tear Andrew to shreds, did I? Wasn’t my intention at all.
    
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17. Matt Hickey on October 7th, 2009 1:25 pm
    Andrew McMillen – join the club of having been torn down by Meg on her blog.
    

    We meet fortnightly.
    
18. Jarvis Cocksucker on October 7th, 2009 1:37 pm
    No, this is just Andrew trying to pull an Everett True, failing miserably and being incredibly sexist in the process. Like the females in the band don’t deserve names? Or even the courtesy of saying that they “play” guitars rather than “holding them”? Gee Whiz.
    
19. Liam aka gumbuoy on October 7th, 2009 2:19 pm
    Your position as their PR Technician (I have to put that on my resume one day) also taints this piece.
    

    As I wrote on Andrew’s entry, the fact that the most memorable thing to happen in the night was the merch oversell says to me that the music wasnt that interesting – if the Birds had played a masterful set that kept Andrew enthralled at every moment, dont you think he wouldve mentioned that over the merch guy?
    

    Also, re the support bands – check the other M+N reviews, they’re all one-band-only…cant blame the man for following the style of the site…
    
20. Stephen Goodwin on October 7th, 2009 2:21 pm
    It’s an interesting — newsworthy, even — occurrence, though. And, for sure, it overshadows BB’s launch of Set My Bones, but isn’t that the point?
    

    It would surely be disingenuous of Andrew to minimise his experience of the night if that was, in fact, the single most overwhelming feeling he came away with. Perhaps he’s subtly implying that BB weren’t exactly setting his world on fire? “Largely enjoyable” doesn’t rank highly as superlatives go, after all.
    

    Shouldn’t a review just say it? Just as though you were telling a slightly expanded crowd of your mates.
    

    “Band was okay, but there was this guy, right…”
    

    Like Ed, I get tired of seeing — and writing — by-the-numbers reviews that follow the bog-standard template. That’s why I really enjoyed this and thought this was ballsy and brilliant.
    

    Where Andrew falls down is on the fact-checking.
    

    Because what really makes me uncomfortable is that the unresolved confusion over whether BB were involved in aggressive marketing tactics could have had an impact on BB’s long-term reputation. And that’s got to be more important than the fact that there’s not that much music waffle in there.
    
21. Darragh Murray on October 7th, 2009 2:31 pm
    “Hands up if you have ANY fucking insight in to the Butcher Birds’ show?”
    

    Actually, I do. It is a show where I’m likely to be accosted by drunk over-zealous arseholes who may, or may not, have been appropriated by the band to push merchandise.
    

    Everett is correct. The fault lies with the editors, not Andrew.
    
22. frenk on October 7th, 2009 2:49 pm
    hey Jerry, regarding your comment “(weird, because do you know how many people I meet on a day-to-day basis in Brisbane – it must average out in the minus)”, unless you’re un-meeting people in Brisbane (I allow for the possibility, as stranger – much stranger – shit has gone down on her streets) it’s unpossible for the number of people you meet to average out “in the minus”, as each day you’ll either meet someone (whole positive integer, x) or not (zero), resulting in an average at worst zero (if you never meet anyone at all). Hope this helps! Regards, frenk
    
23. Jarvis Cocksucker on October 7th, 2009 2:50 pm
    It’s not unresolved. They made it very clear that it was a punter stealing their merch and being a jerk. Their merch people were lovely.
    
24. andymundy on October 7th, 2009 2:54 pm
    Great band, great record, review wasn’t worth submitting.
    

    Oh, and I write occasionally for Mess and Noise and do not consider myself an Actual Journalist. I don’t even know what that term means.
    
25. maggie supremo on October 7th, 2009 3:53 pm
    Ed!
    

    “But I hate this notion of a “review” just being a list of things that happened in the order that they happened.”
    

    Me too.
    

    “Although to be honest I do hate these sort of phrases and am probably just playing devil’s advocate but see it more as laziness rather than some sort of misogyny”
    

    Me too.
    
26. maggie supremo on October 7th, 2009 4:04 pm
    “I like the fact Andrew attempted this way of reviewing a band. That he failed so massively – and he did, there’s certainly no getting round that – is damning, but not as damning as all that. At least he tried.”
    

    At least he tried? Who the fuck are YOU?
    

    What was it you said about the music press in Australia treating music like sport, and giving each other the thumb’s up for ‘having a go’?
    

    As for Andrew’s research VS live review skillz, I don’t think this was a product of Andrew’s inability to do better. I’ve seen wonderful (non-formulaic) reviews from Andrew – his recent Forster one being an example. I’m guessing he was not particularly inspired by the BB show, which is fine and not at all a problem for me.
    

    The only reason I decided to prod this review is because of the assertions or estimations Andrew made about whether or not this person was in the employ of the Butcher Turds. That was bizarre. And I saw that in attempting to respond to/correct the factual errors, Jo or whoever it was commenting on M+N was just being condescended/dismissed.
    
27. maggie supremo on October 7th, 2009 4:05 pm
    (As for who’s fault it is that it was published, I’d say it was a systemic failure. Ding dong, everyone involved is responsible.)
    
28. maggie supremo on October 7th, 2009 4:07 pm
    Shaun, I am always here for you in that capacity.
    

    I guess I have never, ever, in my life, read a live review on M+N and that is now clear. What was it I was saying about ignorance?
    
29. maggie supremo on October 7th, 2009 4:14 pm
    Sorry, Tal. I ignored you. Primarily because you were talking to Jerry.
    

    But I think.. I mean. It is a delicate balance. And it brings you back to all those dull, existential questions they put in front of you day 1, year 1 of your Arts degree.
    

    Who are you writing for? What do they want? Are you writing for the audience, do they want to know whether to buy the album, do they want to know whether the band can play a coherent show, whether they can play their instruments, whether they can play while straddling members of their same gender? Are you writing for yourself, do you want to push the boundaries of your ‘comfort zone’? I tend to wish that DC Root were here at this exact moment to expound on the comfort zone, but alas.
    

    Anyway, essentially what I am not even beginning to say is: represent your experience, sure, but represent the general experience too, and be certain – absolutely fucking certain – that you are conveying the most significant thing about the show.
    

    If the most significant thing about the show for Andrew was the person wandering around being a fucktard, fine. That could have been an interesting review. IF he’d actually pursued it instead of offering limp-wristed questions that never resolve themselves and sign off with: gee, that is shitty marketing if it is true !
    

    In conclusion, blah blah blah.
    
30. maggie supremo on October 7th, 2009 4:15 pm
    “My main point here is that there should have been someone with enough savvy at Mess And Noise to pick up on the fact Andrew’s review didn’t merit publication – and throw it back to him for a rewrite. And there wasn’t.
    

    And that’s just sad.”
    

    Yep.
    
31. maggie supremo on October 7th, 2009 4:16 pm
    Maybe if someone invited me to these soirees I would spend less time on the Internet and would experience an increased quality of life, thereby being less likely to post shit like this.
    

    You cunts.
    
32. maggie supremo on October 7th, 2009 4:18 pm
    “Because what really makes me uncomfortable is that the unresolved confusion over whether BB were involved in aggressive marketing tactics could have had an impact on BB’s long-term reputation. And that’s got to be more important than the fact that there’s not that much music waffle in there.”
    

    Yup. This is why I bothered to comment on the article in the first place. I threw it all in for kicks, but ultimately that was the motivation: The unresolved and potentially damaging confusion cast on the Butcher Birds because Andrew couldn’t be arsed asking anyone what the deal was.
    
33. maggie supremo on October 7th, 2009 4:27 pm
    Christ I just moderated like seven more comments, sorry for keeping everyone waiting — accidental censorship.
    

    My position as PR guru doesn’t REALLY taint this at all because I am not offering any opinion on the band. Also, it seems there is a broad-spectrum agreement with most of what I’m saying, so.. I don’t think it’s too tainted.
    

    In saying that, though, I have made it well-known that I’m involved with the Butcher Bitches in a semi-official capacity, prior to this post and here in the comments, so as not to deceive anyone.
    
34. maggie supremo on October 7th, 2009 4:28 pm
    frenk, yours is my favourite comment.
    
35. Shaun on October 7th, 2009 4:41 pm
    Perhaps Jerry is *killing* people when he meets them, hence driving his meeting-people stats into the minuses? OMG
    
36. maggie supremo on October 7th, 2009 4:48 pm
    YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST.
    
37. Jerry on October 7th, 2009 6:53 pm
    re: “I like the fact Andrew attempted this way of reviewing a band. That he failed so massively – and he did, there’s certainly no getting round that – is damning, but not as damning as all that. At least he tried.”
    

    At least he tried? Who the fuck are YOU?
    

    What was it you said about the music press in Australia treating music like sport, and giving each other the thumb’s up for ‘having a go’?
    

    ….
    

    Who the fuck am I? I’m Everett motherfucking True and don’t you fucking forget it.
    

    Andrew found the gig boring. So he wrote about something else, not the music, and in a very boring style. Perhaps he was getting postmodern on our sorry asses?
    

    Or perhaps he secretly loves Butcher Birds and couldn’t find the words to express that love… in which case, man, that review was terrible on every front.
    

    Whichever way. The fault is not his for trying something different. The fault lies with his editors for letting such unmitigated boring crap through.
    
38. maggie supremo on October 7th, 2009 7:02 pm
    Ahahaha, I am so pleased for that response. I wanted it on my blog somewhere. I realised too late that the emphasis should have been on the ‘are’, rather than the ‘you’, but I’m glad it elicited the same.
    

    Where is Andrew, I would like to know if he was getting his PoMo on. That is the most unforgivable crime of all.
    

    I still disagree on your last point, Everett, though it is not very important whether I do or not. It’s his fault AND the editors’. Writers are not mindless apes, despite some evidence (not here – not Andrew) to the contrary. They are just as responsible for poor output as any adult in a professional role.
    
39. Jerry on October 7th, 2009 7:55 pm
    yes, agreed. but the ones in charge should ultimately be held responsible
    
40. Tal on October 7th, 2009 7:56 pm
    ‘Your position as their PR Technician (I have to put that on my resume one day) also taints this piece.’
    

    See here’s the thing. As a local band, that occassionally plays a lot of local shows, you can be pretty sure that just about anyone has some sort of pre-concieved taint/boner Re: BB.
    I have one, Andrew has one, everyone else here has one, even if they’d walked in off the street with no idea what they were in for, the fact that it’s Guitar Music will taint/boner just a little too.
    

    So, er…. objectivism. Doesn’t exist. Or something.
    

    And Meg: yeah. And stuff.
    

    Having re-read my initial comment I have also realised that I completely ignore target audience while writing. Or, am occasionally openly hostile towards target audience. I am very aware of what my editors expect, however.
    

    And from now on, will be particularly aware of what you, Meg, expect.
    
41. maggie supremo on October 7th, 2009 8:49 pm
    Tal: Yeah.
    

    And when everyone involved in the Australian “media” is particularly aware of what I, Meg, expect, that is when the real Taint begins.
    
42. Stephen Goodwin on October 7th, 2009 8:51 pm
    At least you have an audience to ignore, Tal. Some of us have, at best, a degenerate rabble of doubtful taste and even more dubious intelligence.
    
43. Stephen Goodwin on October 7th, 2009 8:52 pm
    Or Meg White.
    

    Which is worse?
    

    You be the judge.
    
44. maggie supremo on October 7th, 2009 8:58 pm
    Dun dun dunnnnn.
    
45. Tal on October 7th, 2009 9:15 pm
    I now deem the Taint/Boner rule/law/ratio be made an official school of thought and should be taught in schools, universities and Masonic Lodges.
    
46. Jerry on October 7th, 2009 9:31 pm
    I’m clearly missing something here. I know who Ed and Meg are. I don’t know who anyone else is, because they’re obeying the One Unbreakable Rule of the Internet, Thou Shalt Always Hide Behind A Pseudonym Because Thou Art Ashamed Of Thou’s Own Name And Thou Know’est It Is Uncool To Behave In Any Other Way… um… or something.
    

    There again. Even if these folk revealed themselves in all their glory I strongly suspect I would not know who the fuck they were. So. As you were then.
    
47. Tal on October 7th, 2009 10:16 pm
    Hey man. You bought a DVD off me at Borders. Does that help?
    (A: no it doesn’t)
    

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