Thursday, December 10, 2009
Tuesday, December 8, 2009
music snobbery cont.
(from Facebook)
Everett True
trouble is, in recent years it's been deemed unfashionable for professional music critics to be snobs. absolutely absurd!
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James Michael Lomas
Critics Should be Despised by Musicians and loved by Snobs...Rule of thumb.
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Everett True
Where's the button for I Like This Comment
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Everett True
don't you mean, Coldplay = Supertramp, minus the tunes?
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Charles Slomovitz
minus the tunes and breakfast. You rule. goodnight.
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Charlie Bertsch
I think about this a lot, actually. I have spent many years making Bourdieu-inspired argument about the relationship between class position and judgments of a tastemaking nature. But his model doesn't allow for the sort of change in opinion brought about by experience.
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Everett True
isn't some of the problem that it was devised for a different societal model?
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Everett True
trouble is, in recent years it's been deemed unfashionable for professional music critics to be snobs. absolutely absurd!
53 minutes ago · Comment · Like
James Michael Lomas
Critics Should be Despised by Musicians and loved by Snobs...Rule of thumb.
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Everett True
Where's the button for I Like This Comment
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Everett True
don't you mean, Coldplay = Supertramp, minus the tunes?
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Charles Slomovitz
minus the tunes and breakfast. You rule. goodnight.
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Charlie Bertsch
I think about this a lot, actually. I have spent many years making Bourdieu-inspired argument about the relationship between class position and judgments of a tastemaking nature. But his model doesn't allow for the sort of change in opinion brought about by experience.
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Everett True
isn't some of the problem that it was devised for a different societal model?
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music snobbery
(from Facebook)
Everett True
just think, if only we'd all remained music snobs, there'd be no Fleet Foxes, no Postal Service, no Shins, no Coldplay
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Celine Barley Lux, Melissa MacKenzie, Richard Fontenoy and 2 others like this.
Tracy Lee Strassburg
three out of four - not bad...
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Jules Toogood
I like to think i'm doing my bit on that front.
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Shaun Prescott
No Wolfmother either?
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Rochelle Perron
If only my musical snobbery could have saved the world from Coldplay. At least, I tried.
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Helen McGrath
I don't understand
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Max Smith
i think he means that if people still gave a shit about music we wouldn't have a long list of bullshit organized sound type music
.owl city ... really
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Helen McGrath
aahhh
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Everett True
just that there might have been more discrimination. but probably not. after all it's the "music critics" who have deemed Fleet Foxes worthy of our attention
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Everett True
trouble is, in recent years it's been deemed unfashionable for professional music critics to be snobs. absolutely absurd!
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Helen McGrath
I have this argument/discussion a lot on film sets about films & music but no matter how hard I try to be reasonable I can't let a lot of stuff go esp in regard to music
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Everett True
there's some great music up here in Brisbane, but no one would know it, the amount of back-slapping and encouragement that goes on
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White Hotel
So much for punk. Snobbery about musicianship is for us progheads, no? :p
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Everett True
hey wait. the punks were way more snobby than the progheads. they just got confused somewhere along the line... probably by the progheads!
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Jim Mcculloch
No Soup Dragons??!!
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White Hotel
As far as punk snobbery - I think snobbery and purism may be on opposite pages in our dictionaries ET. I should be clear - as a dyed in the wool pop lover I'm a fan of sneaky additives, illegal merges, pungent impurities, embarassing aftertastes; of diversity, of the irresistible will to borrow, steal and taint. For me, snobbery and purism both are deadening forces.
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Everett True
Well, of course. But still, folk should not be ashamed of their elitism. Especially folk who call themselves "critics"
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Everett True
plus, all the bands mentioned at the top of this discussion do none of what you so eloquently champion above
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Celine Barley Lux
True that!
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White Hotel
No, you're right, they don't - not for me either. But I also believe in a diversity of listeners. Who knows what strange pleasures people take in the things they like - even the things I can't abide? The building of an alternative, objectivist canon isn't really my cup of tea. I don't think it's the duty of critics to hone the palate of our readers. Pleasure's too wriggly aroundy to be honed.
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White Hotel
I confess I was listening to Seal when I wrote that. It may be that I feel slightly differently later.
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Celine Barley Lux
Haha! @white Hotel: I agree with you on allowing people to have their own tastes based on their own choices, yet I disagree on the role of critics (at least in music): their role is to help people shape their taste, mostly upon their own personal liking and we need for some of them to stand and shout when something is not up to standard and mostly overrated (*shifts eyes to Coldplay*). In this day and age of mediatic forcefed bs, critics are more necessary than ever. However as co-founder and editor of my own online magazine, my motto is to only feature artists I really like, I don't work for record companies/labels/pr or management, that way the magazine only gives some positive credit because there really isn't any need for negative feedback. No gratuitous publicity from us. Maybe that's the way forward, maybe not. But ultimately I believe in speaking up when something isn't right, I guess that makes me a punk?
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James Scanlon
The world can well do without Coldplay now methinks!
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Everett True
just think, if only we'd all remained music snobs, there'd be no Fleet Foxes, no Postal Service, no Shins, no Coldplay
about an hour ago · Comment · Like
Celine Barley Lux, Melissa MacKenzie, Richard Fontenoy and 2 others like this.
Tracy Lee Strassburg
three out of four - not bad...
about an hour ago · Delete
Jules Toogood
I like to think i'm doing my bit on that front.
about an hour ago · Delete
Shaun Prescott
No Wolfmother either?
about an hour ago · Delete
Rochelle Perron
If only my musical snobbery could have saved the world from Coldplay. At least, I tried.
about an hour ago · Delete
Helen McGrath
I don't understand
about an hour ago · Delete
Max Smith
i think he means that if people still gave a shit about music we wouldn't have a long list of bullshit organized sound type music
.owl city ... really
about an hour ago · Delete
Helen McGrath
aahhh
about an hour ago · Delete
Everett True
just that there might have been more discrimination. but probably not. after all it's the "music critics" who have deemed Fleet Foxes worthy of our attention
54 minutes ago · Delete
Everett True
trouble is, in recent years it's been deemed unfashionable for professional music critics to be snobs. absolutely absurd!
52 minutes ago · Delete
Helen McGrath
I have this argument/discussion a lot on film sets about films & music but no matter how hard I try to be reasonable I can't let a lot of stuff go esp in regard to music
46 minutes ago · Delete
Everett True
there's some great music up here in Brisbane, but no one would know it, the amount of back-slapping and encouragement that goes on
43 minutes ago · Delete
White Hotel
So much for punk. Snobbery about musicianship is for us progheads, no? :p
43 minutes ago · Delete
Everett True
hey wait. the punks were way more snobby than the progheads. they just got confused somewhere along the line... probably by the progheads!
42 minutes ago · Delete
Jim Mcculloch
No Soup Dragons??!!
38 minutes ago · Delete
White Hotel
As far as punk snobbery - I think snobbery and purism may be on opposite pages in our dictionaries ET. I should be clear - as a dyed in the wool pop lover I'm a fan of sneaky additives, illegal merges, pungent impurities, embarassing aftertastes; of diversity, of the irresistible will to borrow, steal and taint. For me, snobbery and purism both are deadening forces.
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Everett True
Well, of course. But still, folk should not be ashamed of their elitism. Especially folk who call themselves "critics"
27 minutes ago · Delete
Everett True
plus, all the bands mentioned at the top of this discussion do none of what you so eloquently champion above
27 minutes ago · Delete
Celine Barley Lux
True that!
20 minutes ago · Delete
White Hotel
No, you're right, they don't - not for me either. But I also believe in a diversity of listeners. Who knows what strange pleasures people take in the things they like - even the things I can't abide? The building of an alternative, objectivist canon isn't really my cup of tea. I don't think it's the duty of critics to hone the palate of our readers. Pleasure's too wriggly aroundy to be honed.
18 minutes ago · Delete
White Hotel
I confess I was listening to Seal when I wrote that. It may be that I feel slightly differently later.
15 minutes ago · Delete
Celine Barley Lux
Haha! @white Hotel: I agree with you on allowing people to have their own tastes based on their own choices, yet I disagree on the role of critics (at least in music): their role is to help people shape their taste, mostly upon their own personal liking and we need for some of them to stand and shout when something is not up to standard and mostly overrated (*shifts eyes to Coldplay*). In this day and age of mediatic forcefed bs, critics are more necessary than ever. However as co-founder and editor of my own online magazine, my motto is to only feature artists I really like, I don't work for record companies/labels/pr or management, that way the magazine only gives some positive credit because there really isn't any need for negative feedback. No gratuitous publicity from us. Maybe that's the way forward, maybe not. But ultimately I believe in speaking up when something isn't right, I guess that makes me a punk?
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James Scanlon
The world can well do without Coldplay now methinks!
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Monday, December 7, 2009
another fine blog from that man Simon Reynolds.
This one is at The Guardian, just up, time of writing.
Fine commentary by Simon Reynolds but I think his emphasis is a little off.
Surely, the fact that Pitchfork's illustrious elite think that eight of the decade's finest 10 albums were released by 2002 reflects the fact that over the past decade it's become increasingly easy to follow the trail.
History is no longer a closed book, certainly not where music is concerned. Now, with a few clicks of your mouse, you can track back your way back to the sources - or other alternatives - or fresh new ways of hearing. And this means that the very concept of 'new' (which was always absurd) is becoming more and more outdated. And this means that no group of critics can agree with any other group of critics because there's too much access and too much information.
Also - ALBUMS of the decade? Downloads, surely?
(You can find more Reynolds here. Well worth reading, I say.)
Fine commentary by Simon Reynolds but I think his emphasis is a little off.
Surely, the fact that Pitchfork's illustrious elite think that eight of the decade's finest 10 albums were released by 2002 reflects the fact that over the past decade it's become increasingly easy to follow the trail.
History is no longer a closed book, certainly not where music is concerned. Now, with a few clicks of your mouse, you can track back your way back to the sources - or other alternatives - or fresh new ways of hearing. And this means that the very concept of 'new' (which was always absurd) is becoming more and more outdated. And this means that no group of critics can agree with any other group of critics because there's too much access and too much information.
Also - ALBUMS of the decade? Downloads, surely?
(You can find more Reynolds here. Well worth reading, I say.)
Friday, December 4, 2009
some links via Twitter
A taste-maker critic talks about being a taste-maker critic.
A vaguely meta-critic site.
Another relaunch for the most ill-thought out (and arrogantly put together) site on the web, MySpace.
Post-Napster myths of the Digital Age.
A column about pop music (with good reference to the way music is designed for consumption).
Bloganthropy.
Do music artists fare better in a world with illegal file-sharing?
Meta-critic's end of year list from 2008.
A vaguely meta-critic site.
Another relaunch for the most ill-thought out (and arrogantly put together) site on the web, MySpace.
Post-Napster myths of the Digital Age.
A column about pop music (with good reference to the way music is designed for consumption).
Bloganthropy.
Do music artists fare better in a world with illegal file-sharing?
Meta-critic's end of year list from 2008.
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